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EDF For Jetex type Models 1 year 4 months ago #704

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Most profile edf models have the fuse mount type setup so it would apply to the jetex models without fuss, I would think! :)

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EDF For Jetex type Models 3 months 3 days ago #802

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I was a keen Jetex flyer back in the early 1950's and the first model I remember building (with the help of my father, about 1948) was the Jetex kit 'Flying Saucer'.

My favorite model was the KK Skyjet 50 and about 5 years ago I built a twice size version with 3 channel R/C and an EDF. The fuselage was altered to take the gear and let the fan breath, and it flew amazingly well, as did one a friend copied. It also achieved the nostalgia of my early Skyjets without losing them !



Last year I started looking at jetex again, and thought that what I really wanted was an electric unit that would fit in existing designs without major alterations and make them look like jetex models, only with R/C hidden inside them. After much scribbling on scrap paper, followed by much bench testing (some to destruction) I came up with what I call 'X-jets'.







The 200 unit is identical in size to original, the 100 slightly bigger, both are lighter and give more thrust. The Skyleada Vulcan 100 is awaiting test flying, the part built Opel is a design by Walt Musiciano for 100 from AM Annual 1951.





Hope some of this may be of interest to you.
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EDF For Jetex type Models 3 months 1 day ago #804

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My EDF unit weighed in at a hefty 8g in total, once I added a front venturi lip and reduced rear cone to 85% to pick up the eflux. Not bad for my girst ever home made 3D printed EDF unit though. ;)
Before the tail pipe - I got the following results:
Weight: 6 grams
Static Thrust: 26g
E-Flux: 55km/h
Amp draw: 2.9A on 2S lipo

I am now building a DH108 Swallow designed by Steve Bage for it and am hoping to have a nice indoor flyer (but I'll test it outdoors in long grass first! :D ).

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EDF For Jetex type Models 3 months 1 day ago #805

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Impressive work, thanks for showing us, are you aiming for production? Had a look at your website, some interesting there.

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EDF For Jetex type Models 3 months 20 hours ago #806

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I've had a few people put in orders, so I guess it's happening already. LOL

Always happy to help out a fellow modeller.

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EDF For Jetex type Models 2 months 3 weeks ago #807

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Hi guys,

The estimable John Emmet has provided details of, and the thinking behind, the impressive EDF unit we saw powering his Jetex 'Flying Wing' at Old Warden last year:



John's 'Power Egg' has an outside diameter of 35mm and a weight and thrust equivalent to the old Jetex 100.

John wanted his homemade unit to be both efficient and cheap, as (for most of us!) cost is a consideration, and it had to be low enough to make free flight loss acceptable. This was quite a challenge, and the motor and the fan, in particular, were items where John needed to be creative in his sourcing.

All Jetex motors have a thrust somewhere between the unloaded weight and the loaded weight of motor (except for the 50R ‘rocket’ motor which traded duration against a higher thrust). The loaded weight of a Jetex 100 motor was 28g, so a thrust of 270- 300mN for the Power Egg was aimed for.

300mN thrust requires about 20 watts; if the necessary volts and amps are supplied by a Li-Po battery weighing 10g, this leaves a reasonable 20g for the motor, casing and ESC control

The motor has to run at very high RPM for inlet/efflux velocities upwards of 20 metres/sec. A 2 cm pitch fan needs to run at 60,000+RPM to provide this, achievable if the fan is well balanced, but 60,000 rpm is not compatible with a long motor life!





The Motor

I.C. coreless brushed motors handling 6-10 watts in a 8.5mm diameter have been used in quadcopters for some years now, typically as spares for the Hubsan 107C.
Though this is somewhat short of the 20 watts required, at under a couple of pounds each, they are well worth a try. :unsure:
These motors have no thrust bearing, so, to give the motor an easier time, recent developments have focussed on tractor (as opposed to pusher) installations.

The fan

35mm diameter four bladed fans are available as spares for the 'Warlark 80' Quadcopter. These can be cut down to the 32.5mm diameter needed to suit the 35mm outer diameter 0.5mm thick clear plastic packaging tube used as the mounting shell.

The Power source.

The important factor here is the discharge current not the capacity; the power source needs to conveniently provide several 15 second runs without recharging. Surplus 'Parkzone' Li-Po cells of 130-200mAh are available at for one to two pounds each.

Perhaps uniquely in model circles, a timed run of even 30 seconds will only exhaust such a cell 10% or so. This means that 10-20 flights will be possible before recharging is necessary. The 1.25mm R/C connector is retained for charging and provide power. For; for free flight, direct connection to the timer is used. This has no significant current leakage, and so no switch is required. Removing superfluous leads, connectors and switches saves weight, and, happily, power loss.

The Motor Mount.

The mounting clip was an essential part of the Jetex motor, insulating the model structure from high temperatures and allowing for safe motor breakaway [!] in heavy landings. With the necessary screws and hardwood motor bearer, the clip constituted about 10% of the total weight. The Power Egg's clip is a 90-degree piece of the same plastic tube secured with reusable sticky pads. As an EDF has a constant mass, moving it fore and aft in the clip enables centre of gravity adjustments.:)

The Timer

The circuit of the simplest timer controller is shown below:



This is really good stuff, and I look forward to further developments from John. Even I might give it a go! One point: John writes, "I hope someone can come up with a better name than 'Power Egg'! :cheer:
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